Pickering XV-15 vs Ortofon Kontrapunkt B

[Black Stuart]

Clive,
your quoting from theory and not from practice, the Pickering is a Pickering and not a Denon 103. As I said try the Ortofon in a high mass arm and then try the Pickering, I'm not interested in theory that does'nt come from practice. Such theory is arrogant and speaks more about trying to justify shelling out a lot of money for something.

Andrew, your always popping up sniping and then dissappearing from view. What you are actually saying is that your assertions are fine and mine are'nt, well I for one are'nt buying that arrogant BS.

What is it that you can't understand - thought is a function of space-time is'nt it - or are you going to dispute that too or should we try and resusitate Einstein to help you understand that point.

Thought can only ever operate in the past, it can never under any circumstances be sad to be 'in the moment' so there you are thinking about the music rather than actually listening to the music, this simply means that you are in fact 'behind' the music and are in fact listening to 'your interpretation' of the music and not the reality of the music, now that's easy to understand is'nt - that is if you have an open mind.

You should also be at pains to remind everyone that you also use a Kontrapunkt B, so your opinion is totally biased towards that cartridge is'nt it.
At least Clive did'nt make a stupid statement saying that 'the Pickering has no bass' and BTW you never informed the forum of exactly what type of arm you used the Pickering in, did you?

There have been far too many of these 'opinions' on this forum over the last year or so by those who have a vested interest in products they have bought and conducting so called tests that are set up to rubber stamp what they have purchased - this does no good for the reputation of this forum.

To even begin comparing one cartridge costing £69 (but with 2 spare cartridges) against one costing over 1000% more is itself ludicrous but to deliberately skew the result by using an unsuitable arm for one and not the other is absurd.

Clive is a business man, so he will know that in business, percentages are everything. It would be nice to see him set up a totally fair test using the correct arm for each cartridge and then giving at least a rough percentage ranking on each point - bass/treble/soundstage but that would make the Ortofon a very bad buy indeed.


I am going to use this thread on another forum and it will send the 'science believers' - all cables sound the same into a state of Nirvana and why?

Because you have proved their argument totally, that is what they say about those who buy expensive I/Cs/PCs (power cords) 'I've bought it so I've got to believe I've bought wisely - otherwise I might look like a wally'.

Andrew you posted sometime ago that you disputed what I said about the origins of the Celts - you were going to come back with a rebuttall - you did'nt , simply because you could'nt but neither did you come back with an apology. You disputed what I said about obesity not being tolerated in the NHS but you were a schoolboy in the 60's and a student in the 70s' so what would you know about the state of affairs in the NHS in those decades and what you were disputing was the knowledge of a professor of paediatrics who works throughout those decades in the NHS, namely my partner Angela - I really don't like someone using a public forum to try and make out that Angela is either a fool or a liar, she is neither but you most definately are a prat and a very insecure one at that.

If anyone and that means without exception wants to do an A/B test, should be required to make absolutely sure that they have conducted these tests on a scrupulously fair basis, so that others can make use of data and not self interested opinions - otherwise you end up with a pathetic bunch of mutual backslappers - or maybe that is what some want. A lot of good people have already departed from this forum for just that reason.