Tweaking Sextets.

[Chris]

Here is an interesting link to how and where electrons flow a long a cable.



http://www.bndhep.net/Lab/Derivations/Skin_Effect.html

Chris

[bob orbell]

That is interesting reading, but not much of a concern to us. Finding the perfect conductor would certainly be a challenge, if not impossible. Bob

[pre65]

Someone once said, bearing in mind the sort of cable the mains uses up to your 3 pin plug, is a few feet of special wire from then on really going to make a difference ?

[Black Stuart]

Did any of you overcome your hidebound thinking to actually read what Roger Skoff said in his sries of articles because he was quoting a physicist's factual statement, obviously not.
The 'actual 'physical' movement of an electron through an 18 gauge copper conductor and a current of 1 amp is about 0.1 mm per second. The drift velocity is proportional to current, so it would be reduced at lower currents - DID YOU ALL READ THAT or were you all too cowardly to look because it would trash your views you have held for years.

Of course you may all hold physics degrees and have a track record to prove your point. Sarcasm is always resorted to by those who hav'nt got any kind of factual argument to present.

How many actually undertook the building of i/connects or speaker cable, what experiments did you all do - some or none, be specific and don't resort to sarcasm again.

The truth is you all find cables boring - hilarious because whatever equipment you have the final sound emitting from speakers or cans will be down to how well or otherwise your cables transmit the electronic signal.

Greg when you wrote about the Garrard and Lenco decks you deliberately did'nt mention that neither of those decks was standard aka as they left their respective production plants unlike your or my Japanese d/d superdecks- correct. If you had it would have destroyed your whole argument.

In their basic form they were both **** compared to the Japanese decks. The bearing systems, hugely important for rumble noise could be compared as knucledraggers to astronauts. At the time of their introduction there was in the UK and the USA a real racist backlash and real lies put into print. The only people in the West who did'nt join in this disgudsting show of racism were the Germans who recognised immediately just how superior these d/d decks were and are - which is why if you want to buy one of these decks they are mostly found on eby.de.

Now, go and read all the articles by Roger Skoff and come back with rational science based retorts or keep quiet because you have only your decades old reactionary and plain wrong thinking to fall back on.

[pre65]

I'm normally quite a moderate person, and I like to be informed, and read opinions on things I have an interest with. Then it's up to me whether I follow up on said information and either embrace it, or discard it.

BUT, what I don't need, is to be told that someone else is right and therefor I (and fellow forum members) must be wrong.

It's just plain bad manners, and typical of the person spouting on here.

I respect that anyone here can hold an opinion, but I don't want to be insulted if I choose not to share that opinion.

[bob orbell]

Stuart, all this stuff you are quoting on this forum is interesting but not any help to the man who likes the sound of his kit, electrons moving at a particular speed is for very clever people, and nuclear scientists, what you are trying to force on this forum is I am sure of no interest to most, you also angered one of the Super Moderators who most on here respect, with a comment a short time ago, he asked for an apology, nothing yet has come . Bob

[A Stuart]

I have always womdered how, or if, the effects fancy wiring solutions can be credibly be perceptible, after we have inevitably put supply and signal through multiple other hoops: large numbers of copper-solder-copper junctions, component legs of various types/thicknesses, tortuous tracks through resistors, PCB track of various thickness/spacings, rolled up microscopically thin foil of whatever type inside capacitors, numerous oxidised switch and cable contacts. I was going to include semiconductor depletion layers, but didn't want to risk getting cancelled .
Since school I was aware of the speed electrons drift at, and vaguely aware of eddy currents/skin effect but thought they only took effect from 100MHz upwards. It was of interest to see in Chris' link (post #71) that they occur at 1MHz - if I read it correctly approx 1/15th af a millimetre, which appears to imply 2/3rds of a mm at 10kHz - which means most of the bulk of anything but the thickest wire.

I must confess to having been seduced into disturbing the moths in my wallet, on occasion, for promised auditory paradise from various connectors in my time. Not to mention the vogue for using solid core mains cable to the speakers. Really, I doubt if I would know the difference if you sneaked into my house and swapped one.
It did intuitively make sense reading the theory (from DNM as best I recall) that you do want resistance and self inductance in your connector, not to purify the signal going forward, but to lessen RF feeding backward into the feedback system of the amp.

I have nothing constructive to say about tweaking Sextets of course!

Next topic for debate: valves which emit left hand spin electrons for the left channel and vice-versa, and how this benefits stereo imaging.

"Womdered" - what Wombles did around Wimbledon Common in the 1970s, I think.

Alastair

[Greg.]

Sorry was replying and trying to upload a photo which didn’t correctly work on this occasion for numerous reasons. I’ll keep trying.....

[Chris]

We need to respect each others views even if they differ completely, we share a hobby that needs to be enjoyed, it's not easy to find people to share our love of audio so when we do find such people lets not abuse them.
A little bit of science has given me an insight of the importance of trying things out, trial and error.

"is a few feet of special wire from then on really going to make a difference ?"

It does not take much to try it out, if it the sounds does not alter keep the kettle lead in place or the bell wire. Just moving away from £5 lead to £100 lead is not such a great investment, but going to £1000 with just a small improvement would be considered a small gain for a large investment. An individual choice, and choice is the key word.

https://www.atlascables.com/design-insulation.html

Chris

[Black Stuart]

bikerman you were one of the crowd who attacked anyone who dared to say that idlers were really **** until a lot of money and changes were made. You in particular were very abusive, an armchair strongman but face to face?

AFAIK you never bought any WAD kit so why did you join the forum. You were one of the crowd that bullied a lot of original members who left. Hugo who used to be a member bought a Kenwood KD 990 to quote him "because it does exactly what a t/t should do - rotate at precise speeds without noise" Hugo spent over £6K on an arm and cartridge and you say that the Kenwood is hardly top class, just how stupid do you think this totally wrong assessment is - a classic camp follower.

And here again we have this pathetic argument about mains quality affecting the sound of a system - if those who think like this could extract their heads from somewhere they would know that for decades it's been possible to overcome this problem easily. Of course this means you have to admit to yourselves that you have been wrong - weak people can never do this they just retreat into their shells and your responses is clear proof of this.

One idiot actually said he would prefer to buy a new amp than waste money on cables - the sound you hear is governed by the quality of signal transmission. Only the last few years have commercial companies researched the whole question of what and how to use materials. Questions are being asked about the totally outdated connectors - but not on this reactionary forum.

The fact is that most of you think cables are boring, your 'information' about cables is way out of date. Not reading the fact based articles by Roger Skoff or refusing to engage in reasoned and logical debates lays bare your cowardly and stupid sarcastic response and you wonder why this forum is so moribund.

Not one of you commented on the appalling internal 'work' I found inside the Heybrook speakers but in comes the Yorkshire man with his chip/boulder on his shoulder who makes nasty racist remarks about the Chinese. When his ancestors were loping along on the Steppes the Chinese enjoyed an advanced civilisation, fully functioning bureacracy (something never seen in the UK even today), fine clothing made of cotton and silk, The Chinese are way ahead with 5G and AI like the Japanese.

Most of the electrical gear in his home comes from - China. Just where are the present day achievenments of the English - cars, motorbikes,shipbuilding,aircraft, train building all disappeared down the toilet of history it goes on and on - it might help to take that Yorkshire chip off your shoulder, you typify just why the UK is disappearing round the S bend.

I was going to send a donation to Matthew but the replies to this thread is more of the same old, same old. The Mods must take responsibility for the state of this forum. For too long they have allowed their own opinions and entrenched mentality to NOT stop the abuse years ago. Proving the point, neither Mod has made an an appearance to criticise the stupid uninformed and sarcastic responses. Only one rational response, be careful Chris they will turn on you next. They need to belong to a pack like knuckledragging football fans.

I will leave you to your mutual backslapping club mentality. Tired old men with tired old outdated views. Comical in a sad way.