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Old 14th January 2023, 05:55 PM
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Default KECL82 debugging

In the early 2000s, I built the KECL82 valve amp kit from World Audio Designs. It worked fine for a while, but then it started to show partial muting in one of the channels. It would be fine at switch-on, but after a few minutes, one channel would reduce in level, giving an unbalanced sound. It was always the same channel, but I can't recall which.

There's four valves in it, and I swapped them around to see if the problem changed sides, to no avail.

I checked all the test voltages at various circuit points as per the assembly manual, and these were all at or very close to what they should be.

It got tucked away in a cupboard shortly after this, but has anyone got any suggestions for next-stage diagnosis? I was out of ideas when I tucked it away.
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Old 15th January 2023, 01:17 PM
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Hi,
If as you say all the voltages are close to what they should be then it is time for some substitution. For a start I would have a look at C6/7 and C12/13/14/15 as these going low capacity or o/c will cause the gain to drop but no affect dc levels.
I cannot remember if the KECL82 amplifier is PCB or hard wired, but just "bridging" the component with a new one will often show up the faulty one. If it PCB handle the PCB with care they were not all that brilliant around that era.

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Old 15th January 2023, 03:58 PM
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Thanks, the hunt will be on for the assembly manual soon. I know it's around somewhere....
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Old 15th January 2023, 07:28 PM
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I cannot remember if the KECL82 amplifier is PCB or hard wired, but just "bridging" the component with a new one will often show up the faulty one. If it PCB handle the PCB with care they were not all that brilliant around that era.

John
I can confirm that it is a PCB based kit.

On my example, one or more of the caps C8-C10 had failed, and I lost sound on one channel. These caps are fairly close to the valves can can get a bit hot. I replaced all 4 with 0.22μF, 630v Amtrans AMCO caps and it's working well now.
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Old 15th January 2023, 07:30 PM
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Thanks, the hunt will be on for the assembly manual soon. I know it's around somewhere....
I believe that Greg should be able to send you a copy of the instructions.
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Old 15th January 2023, 08:24 PM
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Yes, if you can’t find your copy of the build instructions and diagrams, PM me your email address and I’ll forward a copy to you.
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Old 16th January 2023, 11:16 AM
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Thanks all!

I know the assembly manual is on a shelf somewhere, but which shelf...
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Old 16th January 2023, 11:17 AM
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I replaced all 4 with 0.22μF, 630v Amtrans AMCO caps and it's working well now.
Where's a good supplier for these?
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Old 16th January 2023, 01:03 PM
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Don't just change things willy nilly approach it systematically and change one component at a time.

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Old 16th January 2023, 02:29 PM
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As John say's, find the fault first, of course, if you change every component it may work, but you will never know what the problem was, if these capacitors are plastic something, I doubt they will be the problem. Bob
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