World-Designs-Forum  

Go Back   World-Designs-Forum > World Designs > WD Amplifiers
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Gallery Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

WD Amplifiers For discusson of World Designs Amplifiers

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 28th February 2024, 08:46 PM
Princo Princo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 48
Default wd hd3 problem

Just finished building HD3, and doing some tests, all checks out except voltage on pin 7 (bias), left channel, it is only 2v instead of 13v, right channel is fine, swapped valves and same problem.
Checked board soldering and looks ok, what else could cause this.

thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 28th February 2024, 09:09 PM
Princo Princo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 48
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

Here are my test voltages:

L chan
a 206v
b 205v
c 197v

d 0.9v
e 106v
f 212v
g 2.2v???

R Chan

d 0.9v
e 112v
f 197v
g 14v
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 28th February 2024, 11:02 PM
Princo Princo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 48
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

I just checked all again and found the voltage on pin 9 (control grid) is -45v, that should be zero, yes? no DC should pass.

What would cause this? failed cap C6?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 29th February 2024, 09:57 AM
John Caswell John Caswell is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Wokingham, Berkshire
Posts: 1,780
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

It sounds very much as though the grid is not returned to ground. Check with DMM on both channels that the grid has a resistance to ground and compare the two.
Once I have had a look at the blurb I will add further comments

John
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 29th February 2024, 10:59 AM
Richard Richard is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Notts
Posts: 5,357
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

Hi, yes Pin9 should be 0V.

Looking at the older HD83 circuit but it should be similar,

All with respect to signal ground,

Voltage checks,
Pin1 102V
Pin 2 0V
Pin 3 0.9V
Pin 6 192V
Pin 8 191V
Pin7 13V
Pin 9 0V

Resistance checks,
Pin 3 to ground 1K
Pin 7 to ground 750R
Pin9 to ground 1M as John says.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 29th February 2024, 12:00 PM
Princo Princo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 48
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

Thanks, i checked again all voltages and resistances and swapped caps C6/C9.

L Chan R Chan
1 107v 110v
2 -0.3v -0.1v
3 0.9v 0.85v
4 Htr
5 Htr
6 205v 196v
7 2v?? 14v
8 205v 197v
9 -47v?? 0v

Resistance

1 1k 1k
7 750r 750r
9 1M 1M

All resistances are fine.

Could there be a problem with the valve base?

What could give -47v at pin 9

Jim
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 29th February 2024, 12:17 PM
Princo Princo is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2021
Location: Newcastle
Posts: 48
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

I also removed the left chan cap C6 completely and left open circuit, then:

pin 9 0v
pin 7 13.6v

Bang on!

??
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 29th February 2024, 12:25 PM
Richard Richard is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Notts
Posts: 5,357
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

“Could there be a problem with the valve base?”


Yes or the valve itself. You say you swapped valves, did you swap them L to R and did the fault follow or did the fault stay in the same channel?


If it is the amp and not the valve, there are few components in that area, so recheck/resolder Pin7 and Pin9 and the 750R and 1M connected to them on the faulty channel.


Also disconnect one end of C5/C8 470uF connected to Pin7 and ground in case it has gone short (it is an AC connection so shouldn’t affect your DC voltage checks) If voltages become correct replace the cap.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 29th February 2024, 12:28 PM
Richard Richard is offline
Super Moderator
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Notts
Posts: 5,357
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

Ah, leaking C6, excellent, well done
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 29th February 2024, 12:44 PM
bob orbell bob orbell is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: kettering northants.
Posts: 2,731
Default Re: wd hd3 problem

Leaking or fitted revers polarity ? Bob
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 10:46 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.3
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright World Designs